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	<title>Comments on: Kids these days</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://talentedapps.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/kids-these-days/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comments, Mike. I recommend folks check out his &lt;a href="http://www.zapaterismo.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;. You are hitting on a very key point, brought up in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-HR-Science-Human-Capital/dp/142210415X/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Beyond HR&lt;/a&gt; by Boudreau and Ramstad and also more recently in &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-Human-Capital-Strategy-Investment-Year/dp/081440927X/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The New Human Capital Strategy&lt;/a&gt; by Hall, that we need measures to be more around business results and not so much around only activities and programs. As you point out, the latter measures have in effect hindered L&#38;D from making the most out of the new forms becoming available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comments, Mike. I recommend folks check out his <a href="http://www.zapaterismo.com/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>. You are hitting on a very key point, brought up in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-HR-Science-Human-Capital/dp/142210415X/" rel="nofollow">Beyond HR</a> by Boudreau and Ramstad and also more recently in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-Human-Capital-Strategy-Investment-Year/dp/081440927X/" rel="nofollow">The New Human Capital Strategy</a> by Hall, that we need measures to be more around business results and not so much around only activities and programs. As you point out, the latter measures have in effect hindered L&amp;D from making the most out of the new forms becoming available.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Bear</title>
		<link>http://talentedapps.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/kids-these-days/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - Indeed.  I personally look forward to the day when 
1) technology for learning and technology for social networking are integrated such that that it is easy as an individual to move between formal and informal learning.
2) Results of Learning are easily visible to the organization.  And I mean results not evidence of spending time on it.  This could be achievement of key goals, improvement of key competencies or progress on a personal development plan.  I want to see Learning systems become more usful to the learner and thus more useful to the organization.

synergy... learning... it's all goodness but it is a LOT of change to prepare for.  Good thing we are "learning" people right? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike - Indeed.  I personally look forward to the day when<br />
1) technology for learning and technology for social networking are integrated such that that it is easy as an individual to move between formal and informal learning.<br />
2) Results of Learning are easily visible to the organization.  And I mean results not evidence of spending time on it.  This could be achievement of key goals, improvement of key competencies or progress on a personal development plan.  I want to see Learning systems become more usful to the learner and thus more useful to the organization.</p>
<p>synergy&#8230; learning&#8230; it&#8217;s all goodness but it is a LOT of change to prepare for.  Good thing we are &#8220;learning&#8221; people right? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabulous stuff.  So many thoughts on this it's hard to know where to start.

For one, it's all very pertinent as I don't see the link between learning management and other talent and business processes becoming much tighter, despite what we are being told. The competency table is still the integration point, and, as important as that is, it just doesn't get you far enough. 

Other forms of learning that are of ever-increasing importance, particularly collaborative ad-hoc/informal learning, require social networking functionality rooted in much more robust information on individuals and what they know and do, and that just hasn't lived in the learning management module to date.

Secondly, to be fair, I don't believe lecture-based learning will ever go away. It will always make sense as a method for distributing information from the core to the far corners of an organization, including information on key strategic initiatives, new products, etc.  But we are already seeing how that form of knowledge distribution is being destroyed by the internet and web 2.0 technologies, so we would be foolish to think that "teaching" will remain the sole or even primary form of learning in our companies, and we need to start preparing for that transition.

Lastly, if learning and development folks give up control of what is being delivered, how, and to how many people - some of their primary measures of success and progress - they need to have new measures by which to judge themselves.  Perhaps those measures should be aligned around whether people are actually applying new skills on the job!  In other words, start holding people accountable for learning, empower them to explore different learning options (including, for example, finding and meeting with a SME over lunch or coffee), but then let them figure out how best to acquire the knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabulous stuff.  So many thoughts on this it&#8217;s hard to know where to start.</p>
<p>For one, it&#8217;s all very pertinent as I don&#8217;t see the link between learning management and other talent and business processes becoming much tighter, despite what we are being told. The competency table is still the integration point, and, as important as that is, it just doesn&#8217;t get you far enough. </p>
<p>Other forms of learning that are of ever-increasing importance, particularly collaborative ad-hoc/informal learning, require social networking functionality rooted in much more robust information on individuals and what they know and do, and that just hasn&#8217;t lived in the learning management module to date.</p>
<p>Secondly, to be fair, I don&#8217;t believe lecture-based learning will ever go away. It will always make sense as a method for distributing information from the core to the far corners of an organization, including information on key strategic initiatives, new products, etc.  But we are already seeing how that form of knowledge distribution is being destroyed by the internet and web 2.0 technologies, so we would be foolish to think that &#8220;teaching&#8221; will remain the sole or even primary form of learning in our companies, and we need to start preparing for that transition.</p>
<p>Lastly, if learning and development folks give up control of what is being delivered, how, and to how many people - some of their primary measures of success and progress - they need to have new measures by which to judge themselves.  Perhaps those measures should be aligned around whether people are actually applying new skills on the job!  In other words, start holding people accountable for learning, empower them to explore different learning options (including, for example, finding and meeting with a SME over lunch or coffee), but then let them figure out how best to acquire the knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Bear</title>
		<link>http://talentedapps.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/kids-these-days/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just had it pointed out that I had linked the wrong video -- doh!  Do-over.  - Meg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just had it pointed out that I had linked the wrong video &#8212; doh!  Do-over.  - Meg</p>
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